Ep. 025 – Business Leader Q&A: Winston Poyton, Senior Product Director at IRIS Software Group

Following on from our first fireside with the Senior Product Director at IRIS Software in November 2020, we’re delighted to welcome Winston Poyton back for a follow-up conversation – especially given so much has changed in the world of school management systems in the last 12 months alone.

 

In this fireside chat, Nick and Winston discuss:

  • Developments across the IRIS business since our last Q&A session when iSAMS had only just been added to the portfolio
  • How IRIS is busy reinforcing its education credentials through building relationships and listening
  • Their thought leadership work including this webinar with Lord Jim Knight, and their recently published whitepaper “Are Education Management Systems Future-Fit?”
  • The wellbeing challenges faced by schools – especially in the light of Covid – and how technology can help
  • The ways in which the MAT landscape continues to evolve and why academies are demanding more
  • Innovation and what this means: it’s not just about new tech, but new ways of doing things
  • How IRIS is working hard to make sure their customer experience is as intuitive and friction-free as possible

 

We’ve split the interview into 3 parts to make it easier to digest. Enjoy!

 

 

 

 

What’s most important to schools when looking for an MIS, and how likely are they to move supplier?

What's most important to schools when looking for an MIS, and how likely are they to move supplier

Schools are choosing to move MIS more than they ever have before. There are plenty of options out there ranging from client-based to cloud, multi-phase to age-specific, and outcome-focused to all-in-one solutions.

The reasons schools choose to move in the first place are varied. Many convert to academies and sometimes they join a trust where a different MIS is in use so they switch as part of the joining process. Other times, they’ll use their change of status to academy as an opportunity to look at the MIS options available to them now that they are no longer under LA control.

Maintained schools are switching MIS too. For many, the traditional model of them being able to buy into an LA-purchased and supported MIS is disappearing as councils no longer retain budget or mandate solutions. For some, they never participated in the LA arrangement, choosing to do their own thing and looking at the market on a regular basis anyway.

But what it is that schools look for in a new MIS? What’s most important to them?

 

A recent survey1 of 2,146 schools across England asked them to prioritise what they felt was the most important factor in terms of price, support, functionality, integration, partnership and reputation when looking for a new supplier. The results are outlined below:

Functionality was identified as the most important factor at just over 57%, with price coming second and integration a close third, within a couple of percentage of each other.

 

It makes sense that functionality would come out as the most important factor amongst schools. Ultimately there are certain functions an MIS has to perform to be fit for purpose, such as census which they all do, but there are a huge amount of processes and insights provided by your MIS which schools rely on every day.

 

The fact that the amount of respondents who said that price was the most important factor to them is fairly similar to the number of respondents who said that integration with other products was the most important factor to them tells an interesting story.

Without a doubt, schools are looking for best value when it comes to MIS, but this doesn’t necessarily mean cheapest. Equally, there is a drive to consolidate systems for sure, but schools don’t want this to at the expense of losing something else they might be using which is incredibly valuable to them; they want to be able to use the best of what’s available to them on the market so integration across solutions is important to them.

(It’s interesting as a similar survey was conducted amongst MAT leaders and, in that survey, functionality scored a much higher percentage; they seemed to be even less sensitive to price and gave more weight to how the product worked – presumably as there are specific MIS needs in trusts. We’ll cover this in another blog).

 

So, given that the majority of schools cite functionality as the main thing they’re looking for in a new MIS, the next question is: how happy are they with their existing MIS and how likely are they to move?

The survey asked respondents to rate how satisfied they were with their MIS, on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being extremely dissatisfied and 10 being extremely satisfied. The results are below, and the vast majority of suppliers got an average score of 6 or above:

It also asked how likely respondents are to move in the next 12 months, as outlined in the pie chart below:

Around 64% in total said they were either ‘unlikely’ or ‘very unlikely’ to move MIS in the next 12 months, so it seems almost two-thirds of schools are either happy with what they’ve got, or don’t see moving MIS as a priority in the next 12 months.

That said, 311 respondents, which is just over 14%, said they were either ‘likely’ or ‘very likely’ to move in the next 12 months – if this is a reflection across the whole market then we can expect lots of movement from one MIS to another in the next year or so.

 

Ultimately, if schools are citing functionality as the main thing they look for in a new MIS, how confident are MIS suppliers that their functionality is truly meeting the needs of schools? Aside from the basics, what makes one stand apart from the other?  We’ll be exploring this, amongst other things, in more detail in subsequent posts and would love to hear your views; what do you think users are you looking for in their MIS?

 

 

 

 

1The data was collected by The Key from a survey that went out to all primary, secondary, special schools and pupil referral units in England, by email. It was not sent to independent schools. The survey was completed by Headteachers, Deputy and Assistant Heads, and School Business Managers / Leaders between 29 March and 27 April 2021.

As part of the survey, respondents were asked which MIS they use. The results are outlined below:

EP. 013 – Edtech Thought Leader Q&A: Reviewing the MIS sector with Phil Neal

2020 was a busy year in the world of MIS!

Juniper Education Group acquired Pupil Asset and SISRA amongst others.  The Key Support Services has bolstered its position in the school MIS sector by adding Arbor Education to their portfolio alongside ScholarPack.  IRIS Software Group has acquired iSAMS Ltd which is a great addition to the solutions they already offer the education sector. And finally, Montagu announced they intend to acquire SIMS from Capita, and also invest in ParentPay with the goal of bringing SIMS into the ParentPay Group.

Following on from our initial chat in the Spring, Phil Neal and I caught up towards the end of the year to discuss the various changes that had happened across the sector, and get his views on what might happen next.

 

We’ve broken the interview down into parts to make it easier to digest. Enjoy!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The importance of faces: Industry thought leader Q&As in 2020

How important is human contact?

When lockdown happened back in March, like many other businesses, our business lost all in-person contact with the outside world (and it was hard!).

But as humans we all want to deal with other humans; it’s so important to have a real face and a real person behind your solutions.

It’s for that reason we set up online chats with various people in our industry to talk trends, try to make future predictions in a changing world, and generally shoot the breeze. We’ve been sharing the recordings and the response has been great, I think everyone wants to get to know the faces behind the companies too!

So thank you James WeatherillRichard HarleyAli GuryelWinston Poyton and Barry Anns for giving us an insight into the school MIS market which has seen some big changes this year.

Thanks to Mark TadmanGuthrie Denniston and Martin Baker for talking to us about all the things you do alongside the MIS solutions and the ways in which you help schools.

And finally thank you Phil NealJoshua Perry and Graham Reed for your views and ideas on what might happen next and the big trends in edtech.

Nick and I have thoroughly enjoyed making the series, here’s to many more in 2021!

 

EP. 011 – An interview with Edtech thought leader Graham Reed

Last week I took the opportunity to have a virtual get together with thought leader Graham Reed to talk all things edtech.

Graham has a diverse background and knows the MIS and epayments sectors particularly well. Amongst other things, we discussed:

  • What made Graham start Omega Pegasus
  • What’s driving more market movement than ever to challenger cloud solutions
  • Views on recent acquisitions, and Graham’s predictions for the future of MIS
  • The future of the e-payments sector which Graham knows well, including potential new players and innovations
  • Graham’s separate app projects, and the thinking behind creating them

Please note: We chat about the future of MIS and how challenger solutions might look to compete by working with adjacent solutions, in particular epayments systems. However, this was recorded a few days before it was announced that Montagu intended to acquire/invest in both SIMS and ParentPay so things have changed!

Lots of insightful stuff was discussed so we’ve split the interview out into separate parts below – enjoy!

Nick

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EP. 010 – Business leader Q&A: An interview with Winston Poyton, Senior Product Director at IRIS Software Group

Last month IRIS Software Group, one of the UK’s largest privately held software companies, announced it has acquired iSAMS, a leading, fully integrated, online school management system. I caught up with Winston Poyton, the Senior Product Director there, to talk about their education strategy and their most recent acquisition.

IRIS already has 11,000+ school customers, and their overall goal is to take the pain out of processes and let professionals working in schools focus on the work they love.

Some of the things we discuss include:

  • What’s important to IRIS right now, and what are your plans in the education sector?
  • What’s your strategy for IRIS and iSAMS? How does it sit with the other solutions you offer to schools?
  • Who do you feel is your main threat, and what makes you different?
  • How do you think the forthcoming sale of Capita ESS (SIMS) will affect the education market?
  • Where do you see the future of MIS, what will make the difference, and what needs to change?

EP. 007 – Business Leader Q&A: Guthrie Denniston, Co-founder of Applicaa

Next in our series of Q&As with edtech thought leaders is Co-founder of Applicaa, Guthrie Denniston.

Guthrie and the team at Applicaa have created a solution so schools can manage their admissions process online, saving time and money in the process.

The admissions process has become even more of a challenge with the restrictions Covid has brought, but Applicaa has found ways to support schools further with virtual open days.

Check out Nick and Guthrie‘s virtual get together below where they talk about what makes this solution unique, the difference this company makes to schools and parents, and future challenges.

We’ve split the full interview into parts to make it a bit easier to digest. Enjoy!